The best one I’ve ever heard is they like the Microsoft wallpapers. Yes i told them you can use them on linux too. But they argued with me that they wouldn’t be compatible.
Why you out there telling people to install it? Those who want it will find it. This isn’t an evangelical mission.
Yeah like, holy shit the pseudo religious bullshit here is getting annoying. I like Linux, I am supremely unlikely to ever even touch a windows system again (minus the occasional time where I might have to for work when accessing client systems) but this weird cult behavior is aggravating.
Do you have just a few minutes to chat about our lord and saviour Richard Stallman?
Can’t, whenever Stallman comes up I have to think back to the time where he while on stage, pulled something off his foot and ate it.
Eat of this toenail, for it is my flesh. Do this in remembrance of me.
Isn’t it?
The arguments of preference and convenience are falling by the wayside as megacorporations take more and more control over not just your hardware but your behavioral patterns by dictating what you can install and how it functions. They suck up all your personal, private data for AI training without your consent.
I get it, shit sucks. It really does, but we have to remember who is to blame here and it’s not each other. There has to be some urgency here because this is a battle and we, the consumers, the ordinary people, are surely losing. It’s not about being holier than thou, it’s about lifting each other up.
If Linux gets popular the mega corps will just follow them there and then you’ll be asking them to uninstall Dell os or at least remove the Linux recall (powered by bing) that it comes bundled with. Just look at the modern state of android.
Android is the way it is because Google is close sourcing more and more of what makes Android useful as a mobile OS. It would be infinitely harder for some megacorp to do the same thing for a desktop OS.
This. I don’t mind what other use, nor I feel the need to be annoying AF telling them what they should do.
“I wanna try out this FreeBSD thing.”
This was quite a few years ago, but a friend of mine said he’d tried Linux but had switched back because some clipboard feature he was used to using didn’t work (sorry, I forget the details). He was a programmer to, so perfectly capable of troubleshooting or finding some alternative tool. I just stared at him dumbfounded.
Sadly its really hard to change habits. But it goes both ways, every time I need to use windows I find myself grunting for every minor thing that doesn’t work as expected.
I get him though, mouse wheel click for a secondary copy buffer is one of the main things that’s extremely annoying to me when I have to use Windows, I can never retrain my brain to stop doing it and I get annoyed that it doesn’t work until I remember why.
“it’s not for desktop use”
“Linux isn’t made for professional use” - Colleague from Work who is an Apple stan. And yes he bought the Apple™ Cloth for iPhone.
“Lack of consensus on pronunciation of name.”
And I stand by it.
Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux
Agreed. But it does make it easy to tell evil Linux users from good Linux users. I pronounced it so you can tell who is who.
I’m so glad you agree that Linux users are the evil ones.
Obvious, right? Only an evil person would say it that way.
@lordnikon They say “I don’t want to code to download an app”, but there’s actual app stores now on many of the most popular distros.
Linux and BSD had package managers before Mac did!
TBF I for one want to code to install an app. By which I mean use Ansible.
Sometime around 2004, I somehow managed to get a friend to try Linux. They spent an entire weekend compiling a custom kernel just to run some experimental beta driver that might have made Doom 3 somewhat playable on their system. Everything compiled just fine, but whenever they booted up the system, they discovered they had forgotten to re-enable sound support. A recompile fixed that, but performance wasn’t what they were expecting. I think they got like 15fps or something like that. After a few weeks of using Linux they reinstalled win-xp…
that was a pretty valid response in 2004
last few years tho …Recompiling and replacing libraries was a thing back then - linux had it’s own flavor of ”DLL hell”. I broke a Debian install trying to get an IDE for Mono running by overriding and replacing quite a lot of shared libraries.
That being said I didn’t fully know what I was doing when I started off and the package manager kept warning me.
Everyone has to start somewhere…
was windows faster back then then linux?
Hard to say, but I’d say no…
Nope, but gaming was essentially non-existing. We had almost no native title, and wine while great was very hit or miss. I remember having to tweak a lot for each game, from the basic whine version to the DLLs installed, etc, usually going only by what was on WineHQ, or troubleshooting yourself on guesses. Eventually PlayOnLinux was created and we had a repository of a “stable” way to run a game, but it was still bad. Eventually some Indie games started releasing for Linux, and I swore off wine except for some very specific stuff. When Steam was released for Linux, it was a great time, and some native games came our way. And then Proton happen and while lots of us were a bit uncertain about it, it turned out to be great, and thanks to that we’re now in a state where the majority of games just work.
But back to your question, the general Linux experience outside of gaming (and other software compatibility) was not much different than today, with the exception of Xorg configurations, which I still to this day remember I don’t have to do anymore and immediately all other problems seem insignificant.
“not polished enough” when comparing to widose
Sounds like they’d like gnome
What if the browser doesn’t work? It will work.
my motherboards drivers don’t come with windows, and so when i tried to install it and it forced me to connect to the internet, i just couldn’t. luckily i found a usb dongle to ethernet which worked ootb.
never had a weird mono driver issue like that on any linux distro i tried.
”You can’t trust free software”
The whatchacallit, terminal with super cryptic commands is too hard. When I go on the internet and say my system has a problem and they tell me to type sudo pacman -Syu, I need something more easier than that. You know like-- with more steps. And five modal GUIs. And buttons.
Here’s my stupid reason. I only play video games, I like using mods, I don’t use steam and all my games come in .exes from fitgirl lol. I’m sure it’s possible to do it on Linux. I’m certain it’s more difficult.
Most people’s reasons in my experience demonstrate to me that they have a perception of Linux as it was 15+ years ago.
I discussed switching to Linux with a group of friends in a voice chat some time ago, most were fairly open to it, and one or two have switched since, but mainly their reasons were time constraints, not wanting to go through the process of backing up files, and finding alternative software.
One guy in particular brought up gaming, MS office, and some other particular software they used. I showed them protondb and every game they looked up was gold or higher, showed them libre office which they could not complain about since it generally works a lot nicer, and it turned out that other software was available as a .deb. After all of this, the reason they gave me was “but I like Windows”.
Fair enough I guess, though they couldn’t really produce the reason as to why.
“but I like Windows”
I can’t imagine any better reason to use Windows than that.
but they don’t know the alternatives
like a child who only eats one type of food but never even touched othersI still can’t imagine any better reason.
not wanting to go through the process of backing up files
This was a big thing when I was helping some people with Windows 10s EOL, A lot of folks just don’t have a 2nd drive to back stuff up onto.
As a compulsive data-hoarder the idea of having everything on a single drive with no backup plan, local or “cloud” based… Terrifying! You could write a horror movie about it.
I just quasi ran into storage issues. have 1 qnap with 16tb raid1… NTFS
I can’t for the life of me get it to connect to Linux, detects it being connected, won’t display as a drive.
I stupidly installed bazzite, which is stupidly restrictive (so I’ve learned) on fstab… found out after I had to boot into grub to edit fstab back since it wouldnt let me edit the file since bazzite revoked me root access? ok… that was the deal breaker for me (with bazzite, not Linux)
Okay hear me out… When you say all those words in a sentence, I have honestly no idea what you are saying. But furthermore it looks like it didn’t work (or so I think). That is the reason why people (me included) don’t dare to switch
It looks like a hassle, it takes time to learn, people don’t want to back up 2 their files (I know, I don’t get that either), they don’t want to think about “bazzite” or “fstab”, partition the drive for dual boot or search hours looking for a solution.
The people with no or limited knowledge about computers want to open their laptop, start edge or chrome (I know I know) and watch cat movies on Instagram.
I really wanna make the jump, but the unknown with all possible hassle is holding me back.
And apparently mint is super easy, but it will take time and courage!
When you say all those words in a sentence, I have honestly no idea what you are saying.
ya know. I’ve read this a lot directed at me… I clearly have a communication issue. I’ll reread everything and try to figure myself out .
I understand your words but I also get this. Guess we are the same 🙃
People like to recommend immutable distros like bazzite because in theory they’re much harder to break, but in reality they are a niche community and are nowhere ready for primetime for casual users
can confirm. I can understand how to make things work as I need it to in Linux, but I figured I’d try bazzote because people were saying how great it is. knowing how to manipulate Linux how I want, and using bazzite because very annoying because of the restrictions which I didn’t read about before hand. I wasn’t blaming Linux as a whole, just bazzitr specifically for trying to protect me. essentially they let me break it, but wouldn’t let me fix it.
Really it depends what you use your computer for. If you’re a casual user, and all you do is browse the web, watch videos, and play games, the transition is no worse than moving from Windows to Mac. There are some small quirks to get used to, but anybody should be able to figure out 90% of it in a matter of minutes.
Well, except you don’t need to pay hundreds of dollars for the Apple thing. That’s a steep transition to me.
It surprises me that there are users like that that haven’t yet gone through some kind of major data loss event. Or maybe they’ve only used a computer for a couple years…
If you ever talk to someone who’s worked in a place offering data recovery. They’ve probably met a lot of people who’ve gone through exactly that.
I think for the MS Office thing, it depends on what it’s being used for. If it’s just creating a fresh document or editing a simple existing docx, LibreOffice it totally fine; I’ve heavily exclusively used LibreOffice Writer during my time in college and been okay, as I’m either just writing in MLA or using a provided Word file that I can then just save as an ODT after initial conversion and export as a PDF when it comes time to turn it in.
However, from what I can tell, if you’re working in an organization that extensively uses MS Office, files may need to survive multiple openings and edits between multiple editors, and multiple cycles of translating between document representations can lead to degraded documents and just make your work life absolutely miserable. Thus, LibreOffice isn’t an option, though I hear there are more MS-compatible suites that are usable on Linux, though not all of them FOSS.
This is why I’ve so far left my mother alone about Linux; maybe if I saw some evidence that her workflow would be more amenable to LibreOffice than I think it is, I’d reconsider.
I just had the damnest experience with Office. Some institution required me to deliver a “doc” document with it’s respective PDF. I’m a Linux user, so there was gonna be some trouble. This document was viewed and edited by several instances, so I decided to use an online tool. Google Docs it was, but this was before the doc requirement. So, after the fact, my solution was similar: to just use the online version of Office, which I had access to through my job. Cool. Well, no. Delivered the document and the doc wasn’t consistent with the Office desktop they were using. Long story short I had to figure out their Office version and borrow a computer with the same Office desktop version they were using, pirated, of course.
It’s my opinion that most people think of all the technology as it were 15 years ago. Apple was innovative, Google wasn’t evil, Windows worked well, and Linux was not as accessible as it is today.
I had two bouts with Linux in the distant past, and neither time did I think Linux was anything worth pursuing. Not that it was bad, I just didn’t see a benefit over the alternatives. In fact the alternatives had all the benefits in my mind.
When I switched a year ago, I was blown away how far it had come as far as being accessible. Now I can’t imagine using Windows as my primary OS ever again.
After all of this, the reason they gave me was “but I like Windows”.
This is the response I normally get as well, which infuriates me to no end, because it isn’t an actual reason, it is ultimately their decision, and I feel like they are making a mistake out of laziness or perceived comfort.
Whenever they say “… but I like Windows.” I’m like: Ah so you like CandyCrush ads on your homescreen. Got it. Yeah who doesn’t like to look at some ads first thing in the morning.
Some dude just posted that he’s not going to Linux because he can’t play Rust on it…
These reasons are always the dumbest to me, they act like they can’t dual boot. I think most of the time they just can’t be bothered which is fine, but just say that.
To be fair, dual booting is not really for people that aren’t very tech savvy. Just thinking about trying to explain partitions to some people I know is giving me a headache
I have a dual boot set up, and even I find it annoying to reboot into a different OS just to play an unsupported game. Especially since I use Windows so rarely now that the first thing it wants to do is install a dozen updates.
