Most pictures though have titles that should filter them out via keywords

What’s the game? I feel like a broader community for “YouTube Shorts for a games people play” would have more successful than a community tailored to that specific game.

But that also happens with the Hot and Popular filters.

I use /hot/ for local and subscribed posts after not looking at them for a day or so sometimes.

If someone could only look by /new/ on the /all/ anything older than an hour or so would just be completely gone unless they kept scrolling. The feed would be irrelevant to most people or dominated by frequent posters who flood their communities. In fact, it would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.

Because if I just swipe through the All option across all the federated instances using the Hot or Popular filters it’s mostly memes, circlejerking and rageposting. Is this what is wanted? Because nobody needs Lemmy for that. Reddit and all of the other platforms are already serving that low level of engagement with slop to spare.

Why do you imagine a mandatory sort by /new/ would be less likely to be a feed of memes, circlejerking and rageposting?

This actively rewards it. Exactly the same way.

As I said: Only /new/ existing would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.

I don’t know what you want out of lemmy, but if that outcome is what you intend to have, the end product will have virtually no distinction of its’ counterparts and people will see no reason to change. As there will be none outside of it’s not “corporate owned”. But if it’s still slop, people who want a change, will just skip the whole thing. As I did for a while. And if it wasn’t for Piefed, I don’t think I would be still hanging around here anymore either.

A platforming being ‘slop’ won’t be any less slop purely because it removes its /hot/ feed. In fact, you might as well just outright remove upvotes and downvotes at that rate. And then it just isn’t a reddit alternative anymore.

I have not used those filters in a long time. But I’m betting that the enraged posting about what’s happening in the U.S. (and justifiably so), shitposting, circlejerking, memes and Tankies causing controversy again are taking the entire feed until one gets bored. If I’m wrong I bet is not by much. But hell, I could’ve stayed on reddit for that back when I was there which was a while ago.

You can just outright remove all of the ‘tankie’ instances from your own viewing if you want. Especially on Piefed. You can block all the shitpost and circlejerk and meme communities.

Meanwhile the communities with intellectually engaging posting, real propositions of solutions and thoughtful discussions get slided to nowhere like on every other platform. They’re here and they are incredible. But guess what, they’re also on reddit, youtube, instagram and so on. And they get even more traction than in here. And also no traction in comparison to everywhere else. Just like here. But they do still get more people than here in the end.

What communities are you referring to here?

So what is the appeal of changing?

Well I came here because I wanted to run a particular community that I couldn’t run or help on reddit. Reddit has exhausted itself for people who want to community build. Almost all names are taken.

There are many other issues with Reddit too: people being able to hide their post history (thus making it much easier for bad faith accounts to hide their posting history), no voting visibility (I didn’t know the Fediverse had this before I joined, but it’s very good in that it cultivates a high-trust culture), a broken block system, and its beginning to administrate via AI tools meaning people are getting their posts hidden or removed based on its poor understanding. On the Fediverse you can actually directly interact with instance owners and admins, making each instance much more accountable to users - and if you don’t like how one community is run in one instance, you can create it elsewhere and take their users (if enough people agree).

You realise if Lemmy/Piefed even doubled in size, /new/ would just be useless. Just a wave of low quality posts, spam, and topically non-relevant posts to most people.

It doesn’t scale.

You can blacklist instances on piefed as a user.

You can use instances like lemmy.zip and I believe lemmy.sdf.org if you want almost no blocking.

There used to be more topical themed instances but some shut down

Lemmy.world, piefed.social, lemmy.zip are all perfectly fine fits here. Hexbear and lemmygrad are blacklisted by most of the fediverse, beehaw does not allow new community creation by randoms anyway iirc

piefed - no idea but judging by how people talk about it, Lemmy is clearly becoming too mainstream so some people feel they need to move into further obscurity.

No. Piefed is simply another piece of software with different tools that reads lemmy instances. It’s not an instance in itself. piefed.social, which I am posting from - is the largest piefed (and original) instance.

I really like Lemmy on paper but good god this instance drama is off-putting.

You barely notice if you don’t follow certain communities.

which I find silly altogether because people are specifically hyping fediverse because “iTs AlL coNnEcTeD” and “you are in charge of your feed”. I’m contemplating running one or two communities (and I’m totally fine with them being small and slow) but I don’t know where I dare to make them because apparently I’d have to be paying far closer attention to the nitty gritty of every bit of instance drama to make sure I’m not on “the wrong side”.

What are the communities you’re wanting to make?

No, he’s pointing out the severe issues with the system at scale. If someone is stalking you on Reddit, that sounds more like a “this user should be banned” issue.

They can be very trolly, but also people very much dislike the pervasive ideology on there.

I thought lemmynsfw was sort of ‘mass-delisted’ by most instances? In that users from lemmynsfw.com can interact with the wider fediverse but the communities on there don’t display out to other communities - because the issue is the communities there, and not the users.

True. I am just mostly trying to make a record of this stuff for the future. Obviously in the event of these tools existing, mods wouldn’t have to turn them on.

I definitely think there needs to be some rough guide on making your community federated and then advertising it effectively so communities can get that early kick.

You think that’s literally always the case? Really?

Yes, although communities on here already roll with some of these rules. Some don’t want double link posting or want to ban specific urls or specific keywords - they just have to do it manually. This can cause mod burnout over time.

Yes, piefed is independent in the same way as lemmy is.

Piefed has tools that Lemmy does not: Flairs, user flairs, hashtags, custom feeds/topics, scheduled posts, poll posting, events - word filters for users.

http://piefed.blahaj.zone/

May I suggest instead donating to the Piefed project if you wish to donate at all - given its faster development cycle currently.

And since you’re from blahaj, your own instance also has a piefed.blahaj variant.

Well I’m thinking in terms of how to ‘shore up’ the fediverse, so to speak - to make it able to cope with potential future growth. I do think all of the examples in my OP that I’ve given are pretty general and one or more of them would be implemented by most communities the moment they were able to do so.

Well yeah Piefed actually already does this. But some people will just ignore it even if everyone uses Piefed. I would make use of blocking repeat-url posting and have it so anyone who ignores it has their post automatically removed or blocked.

To be clear, I’m not thinking about Lemmy here specifically. But in any case, however its done - either via the settings, or an easy to access official or officially endorsed mod-bot - access and knowledge to and of these tools should be easy and well-known for community owners.

If you need tools, find them. If they don’t exist, create them. If you don’t have the skills or time, then don’t volunteer.

Not every would-be moderator of a community has the skills or knowhow to make and/or host these things. Even Reddit now, at its size, lacks some capable tools not consistently covered in automod tools.

I suppose not. Although I imagine if the Fediverse gets more users it will happen more and more. The current mod tools are not really up to the job as it increases in activity.