Bobr

Yep.

Either this or Matrix, XMPP or even IRC. Anything but Signal basically.

Yet Signal is what people here usually recommend :/ I don’t even want to argue with them anymore.

You don’t understand, we NEED to be on AWS, there isn’t really another choice.

You don’t understand, we NEED to have your phone number in our private messenger.

You don’t understand, we CAN’T be on f-droid.

You don’t understand, we MUST have centralized servers, federation CANNOT work.

Did I miss anything?

Unless it’s auditted and open source then you should assume its spyware.

I do. I use Matrix and recommend it to all my friends.

“Telegram is spyware” was not the original thesis I replied to, it was about “operated by the enemy”.

Imagine entire country using coms software operated by the enemy.

Do I get it right that you know that

• Pavel Durov (the creator of Telegram) has left Russia after refusing to give government information on Ukrainians during 2014 protests (from his previous project - VK, also used by both people in Russia and Ukraine)
• Russian government’s most extensive blocking campaign/attempt was targeted at Telegram
• Telegram’s headquarters are in UAE

and still somehow make a conclusion that “it is operated by the enemy” (assuming that by enemy you mean Russian government)? I’d like to learn more about this logic :)