I can’t fathom why its so important for some to be able to freely hurl abuse on online platforms.
That really seems to be all its about here.
Moreover, I’d also suggest that the reason a lemmy instance of this nature does not exist is because there’s no need for it for them. There are already sites that allow them to do this. Why would people of this nature be drawn to the style of Lemmy or Piefed? The entire structure of the Reddit-clone is built around curation and filtering.
I don’t see a TOC on their frontpage
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I just see it being a repetitive, boring troll infested collection of communities
The modlogs should give some insight into how much demand there is for instances that won’t censor people.
Well, maybe, but given how a massive chunk of the modlog that you refer to here are just people having their posts removed for hurling abuse, making threats etc. How do you think those types, blacklisted from the ‘censored’ fediverse clustering all together on a single ‘free speech’ instance would go?
The fediverse as a whole is still tiny, so it may seem that getting defederated from the established instances is a death knell, but it isn’t.
If there’s enough people who want ‘free speech’ instances, they can easily organise if the numbers are supposedly there.
I know. People are afraid to make them out of fear of defederation.
So there’s clearly not enough of a local audience for it. I know many instances have specific political bias that preclude certain arguments fron being advanced to varying degrees (such as lemmy.ml, slrpnk.net, lemmy.dbzer0 etc) but there are also many general use instances amongst them, that are not defederated that really only ban people for hurling slurs and being abusive.
There’s hardly any instances of any kind of size that aren’t ‘heavily censored’ (so to speak)
It’s a risk I’d rather take, than letting automation make this another reddit where all the big communities are managed by algorithms.
That’s not fair on other people. It’s also just not viable. I doubt almost any moderators would support not doing this.
Moreover, there already exist self-hosted bots that already autoremove content on the Fediverse. It is already happening de facto.
A human could see a post was only 49/50 words and apply their judgement to know that this post is acceptable because the quality of what was said was more important than the quantity.
I wasn’t specifically talking about that kind of automodding. I’m not sure if that is needed, except maybe in specific long-form debate/discussion communities. I don’t think that level of automodding is a priority, to be sure.
A human could see the word trumpcard was in fact not about Trump.
Yes, there could be false positives. I’m sure that if a community did have a “Trump” filter they could specify it only to notice “Trump” when posted as a single word.
But I was also more thinking about autoremoving slur posts and comments here.
If the price to pay to be moderated by humans and not algorithms is that obscenely large communities can’t exist, than we should be pushing for human sized communities.
A community would not even need to be obscenely large in order to not become a moderating chore without some level of automod functionality.
This would just burnout moderators on a highly active communities. My preference is not have these tools work after-the-fact, after-the-post but simply tell the would-be poster that their post has hit a keyword block. But basic stuff like mandating all posts be link posts or text posts (depending on the communities focus) or instantly removing duplicate posts seem pretty necessary for many communities if the fediverse expands in population.
Account didn’t get enough updoots from strangers prior to posting? Goodbye post.
Now this one, I admit is a tough one - as it can be harsh to new users. But it’s simply based on trying to deal with spam posters. As the Fediverse grows, the high-trust public nature of downvoting, public post histories and public mod-logs should negate people wanting this.
Without automod functionality, every single subreddit of notable size becomes utterly bombarded with off-topic posts and spam.
I made a post on this some weeks back. Whether it would be through an ‘automod’ bot (ideally not, in my opinion) - or community settings preventing posts from even going out is another matter.
Yes, and no. If you want to run specific community types - it might be better to be on a more ‘general’ or topical instance rather than a community geographically relevant to your country.
Moreover, some national instances don’t have Piefed equivalents yet.
Who is specifically impacted by this?
Most pictures though have titles that should filter them out via keywords
What’s the game? I feel like a broader community for “YouTube Shorts for a games people play” would have more successful than a community tailored to that specific game.
But that also happens with the Hot and Popular filters.
I use /hot/ for local and subscribed posts after not looking at them for a day or so sometimes.
If someone could only look by /new/ on the /all/ anything older than an hour or so would just be completely gone unless they kept scrolling. The feed would be irrelevant to most people or dominated by frequent posters who flood their communities. In fact, it would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.
Because if I just swipe through the All option across all the federated instances using the Hot or Popular filters it’s mostly memes, circlejerking and rageposting. Is this what is wanted? Because nobody needs Lemmy for that. Reddit and all of the other platforms are already serving that low level of engagement with slop to spare.
Why do you imagine a mandatory sort by /new/ would be less likely to be a feed of memes, circlejerking and rageposting?
This actively rewards it. Exactly the same way.
As I said: Only /new/ existing would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.
I don’t know what you want out of lemmy, but if that outcome is what you intend to have, the end product will have virtually no distinction of its’ counterparts and people will see no reason to change. As there will be none outside of it’s not “corporate owned”. But if it’s still slop, people who want a change, will just skip the whole thing. As I did for a while. And if it wasn’t for Piefed, I don’t think I would be still hanging around here anymore either.
A platforming being ‘slop’ won’t be any less slop purely because it removes its /hot/ feed. In fact, you might as well just outright remove upvotes and downvotes at that rate. And then it just isn’t a reddit alternative anymore.
I have not used those filters in a long time. But I’m betting that the enraged posting about what’s happening in the U.S. (and justifiably so), shitposting, circlejerking, memes and Tankies causing controversy again are taking the entire feed until one gets bored. If I’m wrong I bet is not by much. But hell, I could’ve stayed on reddit for that back when I was there which was a while ago.
You can just outright remove all of the ‘tankie’ instances from your own viewing if you want. Especially on Piefed. You can block all the shitpost and circlejerk and meme communities.
Meanwhile the communities with intellectually engaging posting, real propositions of solutions and thoughtful discussions get slided to nowhere like on every other platform. They’re here and they are incredible. But guess what, they’re also on reddit, youtube, instagram and so on. And they get even more traction than in here. And also no traction in comparison to everywhere else. Just like here. But they do still get more people than here in the end.
What communities are you referring to here?
So what is the appeal of changing?
Well I came here because I wanted to run a particular community that I couldn’t run or help on reddit. Reddit has exhausted itself for people who want to community build. Almost all names are taken.
There are many other issues with Reddit too: people being able to hide their post history (thus making it much easier for bad faith accounts to hide their posting history), no voting visibility (I didn’t know the Fediverse had this before I joined, but it’s very good in that it cultivates a high-trust culture), a broken block system, and its beginning to administrate via AI tools meaning people are getting their posts hidden or removed based on its poor understanding. On the Fediverse you can actually directly interact with instance owners and admins, making each instance much more accountable to users - and if you don’t like how one community is run in one instance, you can create it elsewhere and take their users (if enough people agree).
You realise if Lemmy/Piefed even doubled in size, /new/ would just be useless. Just a wave of low quality posts, spam, and topically non-relevant posts to most people.
It doesn’t scale.
You can blacklist instances on piefed as a user.
You can use instances like lemmy.zip and I believe lemmy.sdf.org if you want almost no blocking.
There used to be more topical themed instances but some shut down
https://piefed.social/modlog
You will see it on community sidebars.