I thought it’d be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america’d instance where there’s no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.
But I think to do that effectively, you’d probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you’ve lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I’m only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.
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I mean, you can make whatever you want. And I get it, to quote The Clash, I’m pretty bored of the USA too.
Of course, an IP block isn’t going to work because an American like myself can just use a VPN in another country to get around it. And yes, the moment you start federating with other instances you’re going to come across American stuff again, so unless you isolate your instance (which you could do… but then people are unlikely to join it) you’re gonna have to deal with Americans.
With that said, I actually think it’s a great idea for people to make regional fediverse servers, not necessarily to block out Americans in an attempt at digital nationalism/isolationalism… But to make sure that the infrastructure of the internet is not so America-centric, and to make it so that there is always a place to talk about local issues and events that matter to you, in your native language.
Even as an American, I feel that right now the internet is far too reliant on American infrastructure, services and communities.
I’d love to see, for example, Japanese lemmy server, an Italian mastodon server, a German peertube server, a Brazilian pixelfed server, a Canadian misskey server, and so on.
I just think that banning Americans and American topics is probably not an effective way to do it, particularly because there are lessons to be learned for us all about what is going on here right now.
You might be happy to learn about Misskey, which has a Japanese instance (it’s flagship) in misskey.io and an Italian instance in misskey.social. :)
Tagged as Xenophobic.
It’s more bigotry than it is general xenophobia.
Sorry to be pedantic here, but
Xenophobia is a specific form of bigotry that targets people based on national origin or perceived foreignness (e.g., “foreigners,” “Germans,” “Americans”).
And
Bigotry is the umbrella term for prejudice or intolerance toward a group (race, religion, nationality, etc.).
OP Saying “no people from the USA allowed” is therefore xenophobic specifically, and bigoted in the general sense.
Ergo, it is more xenophobia than it is bigotry.
That sounds like something you should do with content moderation rather than technologically.
There are also world politics communities, that explicitly ban US and other global north news. There are also country specific news communities as well. That’s kind of what having multiple communities is for.
If people aren’t willing to subscribe to those communities, they’re likely less willing to use a whole different lemmy instance.
Well, I think there are a few… Indeed I know at least two italian instances, plus my private instance…
But most of activity is currently on USA instances like world, so…
.world is Dutch
Really? Wow… I assumes was USA LoL
Thought so too after they banned the piracy sub.
So do Americans. Hence why ‘politics’ and ‘news’ on .world by default are American politics and news.
Even the community intended for non-American world news is in practice flooded with American news anyway.
*Musical sting*
GEKOLONISEERD
You can block amerigocentric instances and users (like me!) if you want, but people will still use vpns to say “soccer” on your America-free instances and I don’t think there’s anything to be done to prevent that.
Yeah, fediverse with it having less uptake among mainstream users likely means those here are going to have more tech literacy, so VPN use is going to be higher than usual.
It’ll be a trivial bypass with how much this space already leans towards Linux and is more privacy aware and more likely to try to cut down on big tech than usual users.
To achieve being free of US content methods needed would be incredibly strict moderation (shadowbans and mod approval for posts), news censorship due to possibility of international incidents involving US, defederating from popular instances, and most effective would be no english allowed.
Yeah I’m from the US and while I would respect the community’s wishes not to hear from me, I would 1000% listen through a VPN so I can learn and signal-boost your non-AmeriKKKan perspectives 😆
Perhaps a country specific instance would make more sense. If you block all Americans, you might start noticing and getting bothered from another nation.
no americans allowed? that seems to be a very, very bad idea to me. let’s not go there.
seppo alert!
found the yank
When was the last time that people who banned others based on country of origin were the good guys?
Unfortunately, the US is taking advantage of this axiom. Their unfettered drive of “influential” content amounts to, essentially, an undeclared cultural invasion.
Sadly, just one lemmy instance doing this won’t change much. The US has been invested in destroying my country since the 1970’s.
I can’t say that Russia or China are any better, before anyone asks.
I can’t say that Russia or China are any better, before anyone asks.
As a native born citizen of the US, I just wanted to say I feel bad that you feel the need to iterate this. I know a lot of asshats always make people who criticize the US clarify this, and I can only imagine it gets super annoying even having to do that the first time.
Your criticism of the US doesn’t preclude you to defend or criticize other nation-states, those are separate criticisms unless the topic is international relations, which it’s not in this case.
This.
Mitchell & Webb’s “Are we the baddies?” is a moment of introspection that is often overlooked. It would stop a lot of problems caused by (possibly) well meaning people
Though, Hanlon’s Razor can also apply: “Never attribute to malice that which can be sufficiently explained by stupidity.” You don’t know what you don’t know… so it’s possible(?) the question was asked without any understanding of the long, sordid history of this kind of blanket censorship and its outcomes. 🤷♂️
Unfortunately, USA politics and economics is affecting everyone right now and has been for over a century. The problem may self resolve in the next decade or two, assuming the human species survived that long.
Your point?
Even if you think you’re getting away from USA politics and economics, it is still influencing other politics and economics, and I don’t see how discussions can entirely avoid the elephant in the room.
Fuck, I can’t think of any.
inb4 downvotes from muricans lol
So, you and like 3 other Scandinavians can sit around and talk Linux? Go ahead.
Stupid idea.
I say this as someone who lives in a country where multiple random US sites (from work-related to gaming) do a country-wide IP block.
Do it, dude. I’d join an instance where USAian talk isn’t allowed. Fuck, I’m tired of their constant drama and exaggerations and everything. Orange man this, raspy-voiced poop-brain that, “we baaambed this” and “literally destroyed” that. And it’s football FFS, not soccer.
Look into the origin of the term “soccer.” I was curious, so I did. Long story short, it comes from “association football.” I call American football “gridiron football” because, quite ironically, it IS a form of football.
It’s like saying we can’t call refried beans beans because they’re not like black beans (I was just thinking about Mexican food, sorry!). Gridiron football may not be your cup of tea, but it IS football. Association football just deserves the term more. Also, in the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, if you just say football, people assume gridiron (and specifically NFL).
I kinda hate that it’s like that, I wish things were more accurately described, but at least we can control how our words are received by knowing what people expect from certain words.
you need people to shitpost. unfortunately that means the USaians and their fucking constant barrage of political failure news.
Nothing wrong with the yanks, but their constant news that overtake any other things happening around the world is fucking annoying.
Nothing wrong with the yanks
I appreciate you trying to be nice but there’s so so so so so much wrong with us
I mean by default. the point is your country is fucked up, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with one just because they’re from the states
Filters exist in Piefed so I hear, and you can already block instances and communities and users you feel are too American focused.
Realistic to set up? Sure, easy. Realistic to use? Unlikely.
