Thought I’d create a distinct thread from the previous one asking about daily use, because I really do want to hear more on people’s pain points. Great to know people are generally sounding pretty positive in those posts who recently switched, but want to know your difficulties as well! This way old and new users can share their thoughts, hopefully to inspire a respectful discussion.
Mobile… I want a Linux phone 😭
Just dusted off one of my old Android apps and I completely agree with you.
Android has to be one of the least-competent, hacked-together, yet overengineered pieces of shit on the planet.
It saddens me that people were paid 6 figures to make it. They did not deserve that money and did a horrible job.
@Sprocketfree @cm0002 the problem is not that they don’t exist it’s that they barely have apps.
I know… And I’m sad
linux and the DEs dont make it easy to write apps for, this is a compositor/window manager/de issue to solve.
Want to write an for gnome? Javascript or c++. Enjoy libadwaita. Want to write for kde? C++ only. Dont want to write js and you only know kotlin/swift/java/objc? Tough fucking shit, get fucked. Want to write rust? Not supported by kde or gnome ootb, the learning resources are bare etc. Oh and for kde you have to learn QT as well have fun:)
Itd be cool if rust was the baseline standard for writing apps and was fully supported by the major DEs. I honestly cannot be bothered to learn C++ just to make a tiny app for my desktop, I will never use it again in my life because it is dying.
@dreadbeef C bindings can be used on Rust so Gnome should be easier. I find QTs lack of AT-SPI to be a non starter. Also nothing says you need to use gnome or it if you’re making your own mobile first compositor.
right, but popular (and valid imo) complaint about mobile on linux is the lack of apps. GUI applications either have to bring their own GUI toolkit (slint/qt/etc) or use the one provided by the host (the DE on linux). Like all of linux, its very fragmented at the moment, and theres no clear leader
@dreadbeef super valid point. I do believe having a Wayland compositor that just reformatted the app via ST-API would be a massive first step. It would force accessibility and dynamic sizing. Given only Gnome has ST-API built in. Qt is just a mess for accessibility
I only really have two pain points, one of which isn’t the fault of linux, and the other that probably is.
First: Adobe shit. I depend on Adobe Lightroom. This is entirely on Adobe. I know about the alternatives, but apparently I suck and can’t get good at them. I keep a Mac laptop around just to use this application. I tried screwing around with Wine and VMs to get it working, but it’s pretty useless without GPU acceleration, and so far the only way to get that in a VM is to have a second dedicated GPU just for the VM. Plus, that still requires keeping a Windows installation around.
Second: Wake from sleep. Just doesn’t work properly on my desktop PC running Fedora 43 with KDE. AMD CPU and GPU, etc. The computer does wake up but the display never does, and nothing short of a hard power cycle seems to make it recover. Works just fine on my Thinkpad which is running the same environment, also all AMD but with just whatever AMD integrated graphics came with the CPU in that case.
Having chatted with some other people experiencing the same thing with similar hardware setups and F43 with KDE it apparently doesn’t manifest if using GNOME, just KDE. For now I just have the desktop set to turn off the display when idle but to not put the machine to sleep. I am a KDE enjoyer, GNOME does not float my boat.
Second: Wake from sleep. Just doesn’t work properly on my desktop PC running Fedora 43 with KDE. AMD CPU and GPU, etc. The computer does wake up but the display never does, and nothing short of a hard power cycle seems to make it recover. Works just fine on my Thinkpad which is running the same environment, also all AMD but with just whatever AMD integrated graphics came with the CPU in that case.
Having chatted with some other people experiencing the same thing with similar hardware setups and F43 with KDE it apparently doesn’t manifest if using GNOME, just KDE. For now I just have the desktop set to turn off the display when idle but to not put the machine to sleep. I am a KDE enjoyer, GNOME does not float my boat.
Lol I have a similar issue, with Debian on my AMD laptop. But for me it’s already on GNOME and it only manifests randomly -_-
First: Adobe shit. I depend on Adobe Lightroom. This is entirely on Adobe. I know about the alternatives, but apparently I suck and can’t get good at them. I keep a Mac laptop around just to use this application. I tried screwing around with Wine and VMs to get it working, but it’s pretty useless without GPU acceleration, and so far the only way to get that in a VM is to have a second dedicated GPU just for the VM. Plus, that still requires keeping a Windows installation around.
Have you seen the news about the Wine patch from a random GOATED dev that fixes the CC installer? Iirc they tested Photoshop so far and reports it’s “buttery smooth” so other Adobe softwares might not be too far behind!
Same here. Broken on KDE but not gnome.
Not that it’s Linux fault, but access to and compatibility with popular creative tools like Ableton or Adobe products.
Sure, it’s feasible to use Wine to run these products, but not in any professionally usable manner.
Yes, I am aware there are Linux-friendly alternatives, but they lack the plugins, compatibility, features, and quality of their industry~standard counterparts.
I second this. I use Gimp, but it’s UI and UX is just the worst I’ve ever seen. (It has some great tiny features here and there, though.)
I hope this situation would improve over time, and I’d try to contribute as much as I can. So, fingers crossed. Otherwise, I’m quite happy with Linux being my primary OS for many years.
This plugin might help you https://github.com/Diolinux/PhotoGIMP
Thanks, I use it, but I could mention it, so it’s great you did! To me, Gimp became usable, I cannot stand its interface without it!
I agree, GIMPs UI is pretty nasty. Same as LibreOffice Writer, but I still use them.
The current Virtual Keyboard solution on KDE (
maliit) isn’t working quite as much as i’d like. It only works on GTK apps, and only sometimes shows. When it does, it won’t relaunch after dismissal untill you kill it. Add to that it’s not as feature-dense as its windows alternatives.I hear that they are working on their own
plasma-keyboard, and I hope that will fix most of these issues, but I haven’t had the tim to update my system.Mobile
Would love to get this in US/Canada
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I really wish there was a good remote desktop method that supported attaching to my “local” session but keeping the displays locked. Similar to how windows RDP works.
If I have to remote into my work machine from home, I have XRDP setup to make a separate session that I can have run simultaneously to my local session. It’s fine, but if I could use the existing local session that would be superb (without unlocking my local displays while I’m not there is the big point)
GNOME has RDP/VNC abilities, but in my experience a) the screen has to be awake, or else it becomes none responsive, b) it only worked with one monitor IIRC, and c) it unlocks the local display.
x11vnchas issue C.I think KDE is working on improved Wayland RDP? Haven’t seen if it satisfies this. Sadly though, my work IT doesn’t support Wayland
- It’s annoying to set up hibernate on Kubuntu and I can’t seem to figure out how to add it to the UI.
- i really miss the login UI of W11, just select pin, fingerprint, fido key or password. On kubuntu I have to unplug the fido key so it fails if I want to use my password. The UI also has no indication of wether I am entering the pin for the fido key or my linux password.
When fingerprint or whatever is setup as a PAM module for login it can decrypt your home folder, so you can do the initial login with it
RE engine games like monster hunter and dragons dogma are a mess. I blame Capcom and NVIDIA, but because not everyone is having the same issues I do it’s safe to assume there is some Linux solution out there that isn’t documented. So I guess my pain point is lack of good documentation, a tale as old as time tbf.
Huh, I played through worlds without any issues but I’m pretty sure it was because I’m on amd
What’s the problem?
Played Wilds on launch and had pretty much no issues other than the game freezing for a second or two every hour or so.
On the other hand, my friend on Windows would crash from time to time, which I didn’t experience.
Although it should be noted that neither Wilds nor Dragon’s Dogma are technological marvels. They run bad everywhere.
Vertex explosions. Also some weird shader compiling stuff that I was able to solve.
For DD it’s actually fine but there’s this hilarious bug where the very last Cutscene causes the game to crash. I’m not even mad enough to try and fix it tbh, it’s just funny.
Haven’t had any Vertex explosions or shader compiling issues in Wilds but I also assume that’s Nvidia related.
Do you have those issues in their other titles like their newer Resident Evil games as well?
On Bazzite.
Programs often take a concerningly-long time to load. Like 30 seconds+. But it’s intermittent. Haven’t been able to put together any patterns as to when this does or doesn’t happen.
About 1/3 of the time when I try to open a PDF file (which open in Firefox), they just… don’t. Plasma will just spin with the Firefox icon on the mouse cursor for like 10 seconds and then silently do nothing. No errors of any kind reported. No idea where I might look for logs or whatever to help diagnose the issue.
Dolphin is definitely lacking in the UX department for frequent actions I’m used to in Windows, like mounting SMV shares with non-default credentials (basically impossible in Dolphin, only doable in CLI), creating new folders (I’ve been spoiled by having a dedicated toolbar button), and working with elevated permissions (Windows will just seamlessly prompt you when additional permissions are needed, Dolphin will just error, sometimes with useless error messages, and make you go elevate your session separately).
Windows (the UI concept, not the OS) do not remember and restore to their prior locations, which Windows (the OS) always handled pretty seamlessly. I know I can supposedly make this happen via the “window rules” settings, but I haven’t been able to find ANY good resources on how that system actually works, and when I tried to just do it intuitively, I fucked up things like where the Application Menu and Open File dialogs appear. No, I don’t want to have to configure it specially for every app I might use, I want there to just be sensible defaults that I don’t have to fight against.
Those are the ones that’re coming to mind. All very nitpicky, but I’m largely a UI/UX designer at work, so I’m pretty sensitive to nitpicky things. No regrets, though.
New Bazsite user too.
The Firefox thing is not specific to opening a PDF. I get the same behavior you describe just when I open Firefox. It’s probably just first launch after a new boot for me but I’m not sure.
It’s definitely not just first open, for me. Every two weeks, I scan and organize receipts as PDFs for my own accounting, so I end up with many files open at once, all while my existing Firefox wibdows are already open.
Do you have to use firefox for your pdfs? There are much better alternatives.
Not particularly, it’s just the default. And it’s not really about the PDFs, it happens when I’m trying to visit links, from outside of Firefox as well. Opening PDFs is just something I do far more often.
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Laptop OEMs seem to go with fingerprint readers that have no Linux support.
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A number of distros out of the box have some IMO dumb things you need to change.
E.g. Fedora insisting on having their own Flatpak repository that isn’t as well-stocked or updated as Flathub, and missing audio/video codecs (I realise this is due to licensing concerns, but other distros get around it).
- I’d like Linux to feel more like an ecosystem. If I could sync my DE’s settings, installed apps, etc as trivially as I can sync my Firefox bookmarks/settings/extensions then I’d be happy. Frankly I’m amazed that Gnome and KDE haven’t attempted this.
Yes, I know I can manually and painstakingly do a lot of this with Syncthing. It’s not the same. It’s a lot more time/effort and you need the knowledge to set it up.
Laptop OEMs seem to go with fingerprint readers that have no Linux support.
This was also such a big downer for me on my Lenovo Yoga 370. I could not (for gods sake) get the fingerprint reader to work because it was missing key material that was baked into the Windows Driver but required to communicate with the Fingerprint Reader Hardware.
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Why am I seeing like 5 different posts like these, all of the sudden? They’re all the same, literally same title, just posted by different users.
I crossposted this from .ml (but text posts like these don’t really crosspost well, which is why I tagged the original user instead for attribution) but it appears that the original user posted it themselves to like 3 other different comms, just on different instances so I didn’t notice lol
On Fedora KDE.
Office, specifically Excel. I use it professionally for work and the lack of feature parity in Linux alternatives (Libre Office and Only Office, specifically) are a perpetual thorn in my side.
I do my best to use Linux alternatives in my personal life, and, if necessary, use the MS web version of Excel but every so often I run into something that can only be done in the full desktop version and I have to boot back into Windows.
I’ve heard of WinBoat and https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps, but at least when I tried them they were too resource heavy to realistically run on a laptop
What features do you find missing from open office? The way I use it open office calc is better than Microsoft excel
Basically any of the power features (power pivot, power query).
Some permissions got messed up in my KDE install the other day after an update, I’m really not sure how. I tried to fix it by recursively changing ownership of /usr/ to root. Don’t do this. This kills the OS. It was technically repairable but like, I don’t wanna go through that rigamarole, I just nuked it and restored from a backup.
Sometimes I’m reminded that I often know enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be safe.
There are edge cases like these where I would consider paying for software to fix my system. Problem is, I wouldn’t know where to look and who to trust.
Its also just for personal use, so if it were expensive then I would just reformat for free.
App stores are always terrible no matter which distro you use.
- Images don’t load
- Stuck waiting 30 seconds for a page in the app store to load (if it loads at all)
- last rating is 7 years old
- random utilities written 12 years ago are at the top of the page
- “featured” apps haven’t even been tested on that distro
Yeah, “app stores” are some new-fangled thing that was added in response to the Apple Mac app store.
Most Linux users just use the main package repos which don’t come with all that stuff.
I assume they’re just talking of the GUI front-end, so it’s almost the same.
most linux users now just use flathub and their distros flatpak manager
I wish amdgpu would get debugged so I didn’t have to save every thirty seconds whenever I do anything.
