I’m a little surprised that they are planning on testing downstream distros like bazzite. It would make more sense to just stick to the biggest upstream distros like Arch/Debian/Fedora for benchmark purposes in my opinion.
Bazzite would make it very easy to reproduce the same result. Just pull the exact version they used, set Proton and you’re done
They’re aiming for “something the viewer can achieve themselves”.
99% of ex-Windows users won’t be going for Arch, Debian or Fedora. It’s supposed to be easy to get in, difficult to screw up.
And it’s a channel aimed at gamers. Seeing Wendell serving as advisor gives me hope that they can get good results and i agree with the choice of distro
I disagree. Keep in mind that most people seeing the benchmarks will be windows users, and seeing Bazzite’s gaming performance along with it’s reputation for simplicity to set up and may help convince them to switch. Plus, anyone that had experience with Linux will know the link between it and Fedora, and can adjust expectations for theur particular distro
I disagree sort of. I find it hard to believe a new distro is easier to set up than mint or Ubuntu and when it comes time to troubleshoot, youll get less support than the upstreams. Both searching existing posts and making new posts there will be less answers. Unless you make a search fo the upstream, and then there’s a chance your distro tweaked something and it’s different.
What also makes me sus is that if influencers are promoting lesser-known distros, it might be paid. Which is fine but could mean plans to monetize that distro in the future.
What also makes me sus is that if influencers are promoting lesser-known distros, it might be paid. Which is fine but could mean plans to monetize that distro in the future.
As opposed to Cannonical, which has been making slow pushes over the years to control Linux via Snaps?
You may find it hard to believe but that doesnt mean you are right. Most ditros are quite easy to set up. Ubuntu and Mint are both already modified Debian. Why not some other modified one? A distro modified to game is already set up for gaming.
As someone using bazzite, it just works out of the box and I think that’s exactly what a lot of the windows uses are looking for.
Indeed. Took me 20min from starting install to having my first game on Steam. Best experience ever. Never looked back.
I used to run Ubuntu, but i am totally hooked on the immutable thing that they are doing.
cough cough
cachyos
Is this the new “Arch BTW”?
i guess it’s my new version of archbtw
i just find this distro to be genuinely worth everybody’s try, as it’s easy to set up, and it comes with custom-built packages (they mostly just add some comptime flags), that favor optimisation for the modern hardware over backward compatibility.
but in this case, actually, I proposed it bc i’ve seen synthetic tests that compared this distro to others, and it yielded interesting results, so i actually wonder about what the results would be in the gaming context, as the testing specific varies greatly.
in other words
I’M THE NERDEST NERD, AND THOSE NERDS AREN’T NERDING THEIR NERDY STUFF ENOUGH
or… something like that
This is great. Honest people like Steve and Wendell are great for Linux. Let’s make sure, as a community, we don’t give them a hard time about their distro of choice. I think bazzite is an excellent choice to start until they get comfortable digging deeper into the system.
Not everyone wants or needs to dig deeper though. If Bazzite meets all of someone’s needs, good. The vast majority of people want an OS that just works out of the box.
Very true. I guess I could have phrased it better. But you’re right, not everyone needs to dig deeper into Linux, a lot of us want to just enjoy their system that just works. I’m actually one of those people.
lol the truth comes out. I just wanna stay as close to Windows as would be comfortable without Microsoft’s telemetry, personally ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You can use the windows utility tool by Chris Titus to debloat windows to death if you want.
Didn’t know about this, thanks!
I just ordered a new GPU. I’m going to build a PC for the first time and put bazzite on it. I’m excited.
good luck!
This is interesting because theres not a ton of direct Windows vs. linux game benchmarking, and now there’s about to be. GN churns though a lot of hardware and testing.
And excellent, because being linux, drawing attention to issues increases the chances of them getting fixed, whereas that is hardly the case for Windows.
Arch (with KDE I presume?) + Bazzite is not bad either. There’s a lot of handwaving over they should have chosen this or that distro, but they’re both very popular in the gaming space, so I feel that’s fairly representative of many distros.
although i prefer the arch distros for bleeding edge and rolling updates. Bazzite makes sense for testing because of the immutable.
A lot of more experienced pc users might end up liking arch distros later in their life, but I would never recomnmend arch based distros to people who aren’t comfortable with linux yet.
NixOS is bleeding edge immutable, but it’s like deep in the weeds
If I understand correctly, it’s a different kind of “immutable”, since distros like Bazzite provide premade immutable images you use and anything else you need you install using alternative means, whereas NixOS is an immutable image generator that requires you to set up your own definitions for the image, but also lets you install software by adding it to that image.
You don’t necessarily need to make your own NixOS flakes, you can use ones maintained by others
It’s great for homeservers
Experienced here, did my time in Arch, learned a lot, perhaps even more than necessary, now retired to Fedora, then Bazzite and Aurora-dev. It just gets out of my way nicely. Something, something, Bell curve meme, plateau of enlightenment meme.
And I would absolutely recommend Arch to a technically competent gamer newcomer as the fastest way to get up to speed.
Horses, Courses.
I (want to) like Ublue distros but for some reason i can’t get drag and drop in flatpak firefox and Thunderbird to work, how do you deal with this, if you don’t mind the stupid question :D
As in between them ? Not something I do enough to care about, and I use Zen and Betterbird, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, but I just selected something from Zen and dropped it into a new message in Betterbird without issue…KDE FWIW. There are still some rough edges with flatpak and wayland, but they’re mostly smoothed now. It’s usually permissions (KeepassXC and firefox is a bitch for example, but doable).
No i meant like uploading files somewhere or attaching stuff to Mails, when i have the folder already open.
Couldn’t yet find a really satisfying solution to that
Attaching files from Dolphin to mail just works as Drag and Drop (gives you the choice of inline or attachment for images, cool, did not know that). Not sure for firefox, would need a target, but there’s always right click, copy location, paste into any file chooser.
Can we count the mainstream tech tubers in recent months that have done these Linux/Bazzite videos?
- As much as I hate ETA Prime, I think he was one of the first
- PewDiePie
- Toasty Bros
- J2C
- Dawid Does Tech
- Ctrl Alt Rees
- Digital Foundry
- Lon.TV
- Chris Titus
- LTT soon
Chris Titus
Having his name on one of the most popular windows debloater was just as based.
LTT soon? They made a few Linux videos and still love windows too much to recommend it.
Yes they’re supposed to be doing a video with Linus Torvalds soon.
Please don’t make me sub to LTT 😅
No need. If that happens, you’ll surely have no chance to miss that video on Lemmy. :)
DankPods my beloved as well. He’s not very technical with software so it’s quite interesting to hear him talk about it.
This is genuinely a new era in gaming, so exciting!
Honestly, it’s about damn time.
These technical people should be ashamed it took them so long to adopt Linux.
Let’s put that in a way that isn’t so off putting. It’s the duty of those in the know help those who are not when possible.
No it’s not. There is no duty to anyone. Go to a library or book store and read what you want to learn.
If what you’ve chosen to learn could help someone right in front of you, and they’re asking for help, you do not feel compelled to help them? I doubt that.
Depends on the topic. If enlightening them means I am enabling them to harm themselves, then no. Helping people waste time gaming and draw even more Steam users and their Windows crapware games towards tainting the purity of Linux is harming them and Linux, so no. No helping that.
There are big issues with the modern video games industry. Like a lot of software they deny user’s computing freedoms, and as such facilitate designs to repeatedly make money using psychology tricks. However, to reject video games as a waste of time goes to show how one can not know what they’re missing.
Video games are a peak of higher-functioning life: play. A structured form of play which can go beyond physical games. Life is poorer without the immergent stories of a fantasy world (Dwarf Fortress) or competing in a consequence-free violence of street-fighting (Street Fighter).
This literally doubles (if not more) the workload to run these benchmarks, not to mention having to write new automation procedures and Steve just not being familiar with Linux at all, all for 2-3% (tops) of his audience.
Be glad that he is doing them in the future and don’t be a demanding, entitled prick.
and Steve just not being familiar with Linux at all
Yeah, that’s the problem. Just like with LinusTechTips, these youtubers aren’t half as knowledgeable as they’d like their audiences to believe.
They should be ashamed, and you should stop being being a simp.
entitled prick.
Grow the fuck up.
This is definitely something that has been coming for some time. Yes, I am a little surprised it has taken this long for a major channel know for hardware reviews for gamers to take this step… I would have thought that the popularity of the Steam Deck, and all of the handhelds that are now running Linux would have been a motivator.
But it seems that Steve is really seeing that there is more of a progression of people not wanting to go to Windows 11, and the issues surrounding Microsoft’s insistence on adding creepy features that no one asked for (like Recall) as the push they needed.
And I agree, Bazzite is probably one of the best choices that they could make. The immutability of the system will allow them to have consistent images that won’t change on them randomly. That is a definite requirement when dealing with this type of benchmarking.
