I think most of the hate is from hard working people who are afraid “lazy ones” will get benefits that they themselves deserve.
I dont disagree. The amount of people on lemmy that say they just wanna sit on their ass and smoke weed is quite high, and im convinced if they had their way all our infrastructure would crumble in a week (no one thinks about the sewer/wastewater, the electricity, and the food plants that need to keep running for your comfortable lazy life)
We would need a way to keep people working crap jobs, while also supporting them. We cant all be influencers and movie stars. Someone has to shovel shit.
I dont disagree. The amount of people on lemmy that say they just wanna sit on their ass and smoke weed is quite high, and im convinced if they had their way all our infrastructure would crumble in a week (no one thinks about the sewer/wastewater, the electricity, and the food plants that need to keep running for your comfortable lazy life)
We would need a way to keep people working crap jobs, while also supporting them. We cant all be influencers and movie stars. Someone has to shovel shit.
Socialism isn’t “everyone gets free shit and smokes weed all day”. It’s usually something along the lines of public ownership of the means of production under democratic control. Like, the factory is owned by the people who work at the factory instead of some rich guy that collects a check despite contributing no labor.
The shit people worry about is actually happening under capitalism, it’s just they get to pretend they deserve it because their parents were rich, or they got lucky, or they scammed someone (like their workers).
However, wouldn’t this kind of ruin any hard work towards a goal like owning your business or moving up in a company from doing hard labor to an easier office job as you get older?
I know you’ll say “people already work hard labor jobs at 80 years old because of capitalism keeping them down!” But thats not everyone. A lot of people have worked hard and succeeded. If you’re only rewarded for your labor and not owning anything to gain money off of it, you will be working hard labor jobs forever. Because we can all agree hard labor jobs deserve more pay than any other job (programmers, youre out of luck now, thats a cushy job).
Im being an ass on purpose, because these are real world arguments you need to convince real people of why capitalism is actually bad, because many people are not convinced it is.
If you think the majority of people would do things to better society rather than be lazy if they were given handouts…you dont know humanity all too well.
If you think the majority of people would do things to better society rather than be lazy if they were given handouts…you dont know humanity all too well.
See, I don’t think you’re “being an ass on purpose”. I think you are either just an ass or purposely being difficult to no productive end.
Im trying to show the lemmings in their left wing bubble how the real world works and how the working people think.
I’m totally on your side, but I like to offer arguments I hear every day from working class people who are vehemently right wing Trump super capitalist/authoritarians
I think most of the hate is from hard working people who are afraid “lazy ones” will get benefits that they themselves deserve.
I dont disagree. The amount of people on lemmy that say they just wanna sit on their ass and smoke weed is quite high, and im convinced if they had their way all our infrastructure would crumble in a week (no one thinks about the sewer/wastewater, the electricity, and the food plants that need to keep running for your comfortable lazy life)
We would need a way to keep people working crap jobs, while also supporting them. We cant all be influencers and movie stars. Someone has to shovel shit.
Socialism isn’t “everyone gets free shit and smokes weed all day”. It’s usually something along the lines of public ownership of the means of production under democratic control. Like, the factory is owned by the people who work at the factory instead of some rich guy that collects a check despite contributing no labor.
The shit people worry about is actually happening under capitalism, it’s just they get to pretend they deserve it because their parents were rich, or they got lucky, or they scammed someone (like their workers).
Got it, yes i agree with that mostly.
However, wouldn’t this kind of ruin any hard work towards a goal like owning your business or moving up in a company from doing hard labor to an easier office job as you get older?
I know you’ll say “people already work hard labor jobs at 80 years old because of capitalism keeping them down!” But thats not everyone. A lot of people have worked hard and succeeded. If you’re only rewarded for your labor and not owning anything to gain money off of it, you will be working hard labor jobs forever. Because we can all agree hard labor jobs deserve more pay than any other job (programmers, youre out of luck now, thats a cushy job).
Im being an ass on purpose, because these are real world arguments you need to convince real people of why capitalism is actually bad, because many people are not convinced it is.
Where is your NON-ANECDOTAL evidence the majority of people don’t want to contribute meaningfully to the world around them?
Most people who don’t contribute to society, don’t do it because they hate it (or hate humanity), not because they love weed.
If you think the majority of people would do things to better society rather than be lazy if they were given handouts…you dont know humanity all too well.
See, I don’t think you’re “being an ass on purpose”. I think you are either just an ass or purposely being difficult to no productive end.
Im trying to show the lemmings in their left wing bubble how the real world works and how the working people think.
I’m totally on your side, but I like to offer arguments I hear every day from working class people who are vehemently right wing Trump super capitalist/authoritarians
Would you sit on your ass all day and smoke weed, given the chance?
Nope. Id continue to work on my hundreds of projects I have going.
Im not in the majority.
IDGAF about your anecdotally derived cynicism, give me actual proof or stop making these claims as if they are undeniably true.