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- privacy@programming.dev
Mozilla Corporation has named its new CEO in replacing interim CEO Laura Chambers.
Anthony Enzor-DeMeo has been named the new CEO of Mozilla Corporation. Anthony Enzor-DeMeo was SVP of Firefox from 2004 to July 2005 and then from July until now was the GM of Firefox at Mozilla. He’s written a public message today in his first day serving as the new chief executive for Mozilla.
Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions."
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Can they rename the browser to Fireslop?
just leaving this here: https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi/115728747391375438
No, but it’s still based on Chromium which killed off effective ad blocking.
vivaldi’s blocker says otherwise.
OK peeps, crowd sourcing time.
What other gecko (or non-webkit) browsers are out there?
If you want to sidestep firefox, all firefox descendants would eventually pose the same problem. So I think many options others provided are suboptimal in that regard.
I’m keeping my eyes on ladybird: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird https://ladybird.org/
But it still is in its early stages.
Alpha in 2026!
Might be I’m dumb, but I don’t see any Waterfox downloads for Android?
Except that *Fox, *Fennec and *Wolf are downstream to Firefox, so if the main trunk goes shit, they will become outdated soon.
You kinda want it to be based on Firefox, as the only other option is chrome. The forks already strip out all the mozilla bullshit, it’ll just be more work to strip out all the AI nonsense.
I’m mainly familiar with librewolf, it’s not just stripped of nonsense but also hardened by default. Actually so much so that I stayed on Firefox as it was too much effort (so far) to “unharden” all the aspects I didn’t want or need.
We’ll cross that bridge when and if we come to it. Or rather we won’t, but the devs behind these projects will.
FOSS to thrive needs people who can afford to spend time and energy on it. With the recent enshittification of workers collective power, developers have less of both, and the trend is pessimistic.
The answer is, and always has been, unions and strikes.
Do your part.
Are you telling that to someone on a .ml instance?
Huh. :P
(This is of course a joke)
There’s also Zen, which is Firefox based and will be disabling ai features!
Still in beta though
I’ve played enough perpetually Early Access / beta vudeo games, beta web browser is just another software to me 😅
I found zen to be too busy for me, ironically. Maybe I should give it another go
Aren’t these all soft forks of Firefox? What we need is a hard fork with the funding and team capable of sustaining it.
Not really. Mullvad Browser is a Tor Browser fork. WebLibre is a Gecko-engine based Flutter browser written from scratch.
Tor Browser is a modified Firefox ESR, which is just Firefox with less frequent releases.
Mullvad Browser is literally based on Firefox ESR. Which they clearly state.
For example: “Mullvad Browser 14.0, based on Firefox ESR 128”
Yes, but they and the Tor Project are making enough changes that Mullvad Browser can be considered a hard fork rather than a soft fork.
No they still base it off of Firefox so it’s a soft fork. Hard fork is when you branch off and don’t do a resync again.
I use LibreWolf and Tor. I don’t care what Mozilla does. The garbage will be removed from the forks.
How long can they do they for. Like it or not Mozilla does most of the coding for those browsers. 0
At what point does removing garbage become so complicated that they just stop merging anything in at all.
That will be up to the dev.
I heard that it’s hard as hell, but now I can’t remember if the dev who said it was from Firefox or Chrome.
Just in time since 2026 we get the alpha of the ladybird browser. This will be a big boost for the new engines currently in development and the popularity of Librewolf.
Ain’t ladybird the browser with project lead Andreas Kling? Well… I don’t know if I wanna be part of that.
Who is that?
Well it was fun while it lasted I guess
Is KDE browser hanging around still? I know apple based their browser off of it.
We will get Orion-Browser soon which is based on webkit.
However, Servo ist currently what we need to lay our hopes on. Do everything you can to contribute there. From donations over reports to code. Even if it is just spreading the word. It is currently the single most important FLOSS project out there.
The article quotes him as saying:
AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off.
No big deal. If it turns out to be unethical it will be switched off in Librewolf.
so long as it’s optional, local, and private.
so long as it’s optional, local, and private.
… yes but also
- open source,
- open model,
- all annotations done with proper respect to
- labor law (ideally verified by 3rd party)
- IP
- clear on ecological cost
- CO2 eq in model card (ideally verified by 3rd party)
- analogy non technical user can understand
… which makes for a rather limited list.
My own constraints https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/CollaborationRelyingOnAI recommendations welcomed, both on such rules but also on models that do fit, if any.
I’m sorry, but it’s not going to be. Mozilla set the stage of this when they changed from FOSS to source available.
Guess I’m using Links2 now…
Try Dillo. It is what web browsers should have been.
No, Pleaso no, god no
Ummmmm, what is an AI browser? I mean, other than something I don’t want.
Does it browse AI generated content? Does it generate AI web pages for me? Does it just set chatgpt/copilot/grok/gemini as the homepage/default search? Does it use AI to customize content to your language/reading level? Does it flag non-AI content as potentially malicious like an http site?
I’m so lost.
It AI’s the AIable content that AI hasn’t already AI’d.
yo dawg, I heard you like AI 😆
Weird Al Yankovic
You made me read the Comet browser review, as I did not have the courage to install it myself.
Seems useful if done privately and under supervision:
- has an AI chat sidebar that can interact with what you’re viewing
- can fill out forms (eg. you can dump unstructured text and have it fill, instead of copying field by field)
- it can browse the internet for you - you ask it a question and watch it browse pages to find one with an answer
- it can summarize the currently watched page. Which at first I thought was ridiculous but sometimes you need to get information from shitty bloated articles with 10 paragraphs of introduction
As long as it’s optional and done right (eg. It can fill the form but it’s me who submits it, and the model is running locally), sounds very useful. Also no reason why it can’t be a Firefox addon instead of built in.
Another common mozilla L
God I can’t wait until Servo is viable
