The one good thing of brexit: UK isn’t beholden to this.
The bad thing is that their own laws aren’t much better. And of course all the other brexit bad stuff
From the Online Safety Act Wikipedia page:
The act also requires platforms – including end-to-end encrypted message providers – to scan for child pornography and terrorism content, which experts say is not possible to implement without undermining users’ privacy.
OK I’m getting a flip phone
I thought making calls and sending SMS was one of the least secure things you could do regarding communication? That secure and encrypted communication with messaging apps was the only way.
Now we have nothing. 😐
At least if you just do phone calls the attack surface is reduced… They can scan your calls maybe, but not your entire chat history with all of your contacts and give it to an AI which could profile you based on that + you are not scanned on everything else you do on your phone / locked into proprietary ecosystems.
The ideal would just be using a Linux platform and using something like xmpp, but who are you gonna convince to use it? People use what they are used to use, if it’s not popular messaging apps is phone calls… And now it seems a more private alternative…
Just get an Pixel 9a from a local shop, install GrapheneOS on it and use it as your primary.
Welp guys, looks like I’m moving to [insert country without that sh*t] (TBD). Or atleast my router is.
The implementation is client-side, so this wouldn’t work. It forces all apps to have a client-side backdoor.
If this came to Canada, my sister and I will be using Briar.
just use signal
Xmpp, IRC, Matrix, all great decentralized alternatives, but good luck convincing people in contacting you on Xmpp…
This problem is a problem because it’s a social tendency, not because we don’t have alternatives… Very sadly…
XMPP is great but my wife hates it.
Hi Sorry can i ask what Is XMPP?
Btw as a secure messgaing app i use simplex, mabye i Will look into matrix
It’s an open, decentralized protocol used for real-time messaging, so you can find many apps using this protocol, on android there is conversations which is very light and modern, just choose a pseudo and chat, no other registration, it is a paid app on the app store but free on fdroid. I also used simplex before but it didn’t work well enough, the video calls were laggy.
What client do you suggest? I know It depends on the situation, but overall generally what would you suggest?
As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version.
Oki thanks
So XMPP is a messgaing protocol some apps use
Ty very much
Ita not said they wont comply with eh standards
And when they pull out of Europe because they won’t comply?
Write your own E2E encrypted peer-to-peer chat app (nobody has got time for that) or use some that doesn’t care about the law (pretty risky if it’s not open source, I doubt they’ll survive for long in the open), I guess
We are essentially manipulated into the belief that centralised internet is good and all. This is a push driven by the governments where the whole infrastructure is redesigned into essentially a police state where the only thing left is fascism.
Decentralisation must stay, and developments towards decentralisation must flow faster than ever. If the whole premise of the internet gets breached then it will be officially over, and we will all suffer in oppression.
It is available in fdroid
won’t help when their servers block access from EU
Wow, you mean taking instant messenger suggestions from Republicans in the House of Representatives organizing gangbangs wasn’t a good idea?
They probably drink water, too.
Hydration is important during gangbangs. Goes without saying
I dont see fdroid blocking the app. I think signal is in the guardian project repos. Anyway a repo can just be hosted in switzerland or on tor or something. I would be more worried about govenments blocking access to the signal servers.
All this theatre in the name of protecting kids, Yet the pedo formally known as prince andrew is still walking free.
Or Molly (alternative and more secure FOSS Android app for Signal), or Session or SimpleX.
Now let’s hope Parliament will still vote against it.
Caling your MEP is more efficient.
Dear mods, watch what you remove from these chats, our freedoms are getting fucked, people should be allowed to be indignant.
That being said i hope the legislators sit on cacti all day every day, those fucking assholes are exempt from this bullshit.
They will take my data out of my cold dead hands. It was a matter of time, sure, but I was actually holding on to hope for this one. I am pissed, dismayed even.
Session, signal, simplex are your friends. If those give up the ghost and bend the knee then we are going back to irc and aliases. Fucking shit!
Everyone who originally proposed this or otherwise helped in drafting this should be thoroughly investigated under suspicion of foreign affiliation. Chat Control doesn’t just start the EU’s transformation into a surveillance state. It also weakens its digital defenses. No matter how you look at it, this is treason both towards the European people, as well as towards the individual countries and the Union as a whole.
Is there something we can do to effectively oppose that shit ?
Maybe start here? https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
Wow, this is bad. I thought this was over when Germany chose not to support it. Apparently not!
I believe Germany is now in favor of this new proposal, according to https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
Only Italy, Netherlands, Czech Republic and Poland are against. This seems to be based on “leaked documents from the September 12 meeting of the EU Council’s Law Enforcement Working Party”.
Show is not over until the fat lady sings.
Not even Signal saves
Matrix would be the best alternative
Why? Why is the loss of such a significant amount of privacy necessary?
It isn’t it’s just an excuse to put people you don’t like in some kind of hole where they rot to death.
Literally pedophiles.
Allegedly.
It isn’t necessary.
People will figure out that the war in Ukraine actually started before 2014.
For years the plan was to make this scanning mandatory. In early November 2025, however, the Danish government amended the text: scanning is now “voluntary” for individual EU states to decide upon. That small word change was enough for the 27 EU countries to agree on November 26.
If chat control would have been made mandatory, you can bet (and i’d be willing to bet a lot of money on it) that you’re going to have AfD in germany and FPÖ in austria (since they’re already pretty anti-EU) making a lot of noise about how evil the EU is for infringing on people’s privacy. (And they would be right about this, as much as i don’t like to agree with them.) This would give them more votes, than they already have.
Making it voluntary is a clever trick of the EU to not make yourself extremely unpopular among the population. Well done, i’d say.
That’s weird, our fascists in France are all against privacy, unless it’s theirs.
AfD is already #1 party in Germany
If they work anything like the far right in the U.S., they’ll raise hell about it til they get elected then implement it themselves.
Exactly the play, not just in America, but all capitalist backed politicians. Left and right wing
Orban’s Hungary is in favour, after all.
Countries which support the implementation of Chat Control:
Spain, Romania, Portugal, Malta Lithuania, Hungary, Ireland, France, Denmark, Croatia, Cyprus, and Bulgaria.
Countries that are undecided:
Belgium, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Slovakia, and Sweden.
Countries which oppose Chat Control:
Slovenia, the Netherlands, Poland, Luxembourg, Germany, Estonia, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Austria
Can someone help me understand the likely outcome in countries that implement chat control? Will those governments force Google and Apple to remove apps that do not comply (e.g. Signal) from their official app stores? Will those governments somehow detect users who find workarounds and go after them? I figure most people in those countries will shrug their shoulders and move on with their lives, but how will this impact citizens who do not wish to comply?
“This list is outdated, see here fightchatcontrol.eu”
Fuck, only 4 are against
And Italy is one of them??? Lmao
I know, last time i checked It was indecided and im Happy its against now.
I Hope more countries Will shoft beacouse its not looking good
And here I was thinking the EU was winning its fight against authoritarianism. Guess nowhere is safe, everyone’s gotta push back no matter where you are. Fucking exhausting that they can’t just leave us the fuck alone.
We are embracing authoritarianism everywhere. Democracies are dying.
Politicians are not ignorant of the risks; as the article mentions, they had several advisors, including scientists, who warned of the danger. If our leaders didn’t know it, they wouldn’t exclude themselves from the proposal.
Sociopaths will be sociopaths. They’ll continue saying that protesting and violece are never the answer, while eroding our basic rights and ignoring all pushback.
When people rise up: “How dare you destroy property value!”
